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« Reply #525 on: October 07, 2009, 04:05:55 »
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UltimateDarius i need to speak to you on AIM about some stuff post norman. talk soon. xxx
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« Reply #526 on: October 07, 2009, 05:08:06 »
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Thanks FF, I shouldn't have to worry about accidentally changing my keyboard layout now.  As for mouldy cheese. if you need to get in contact with somebody just send a PM instead of bumping a topic.  If no one's on AIM, try getting IRC and joining SDA's channel.  I haven't done that yet.  I wonder if I should.  Finally, I'm pretty sure it's faster to buy all the items I need together rather then picking them up in the open.  Every second counts.

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« Reply #527 on: October 19, 2009, 22:12:21 »
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I actually pulled off a SS run just now of sapphire.  My first try too, and with the first Torchic I got.  It's pretty bad though.  Final time is 3:01.  I got into several unnecessary trainer battles and made a mistake with the puzzle of the last gym forcing four more trainer battles.  Not to mention the occasional menu or movement error.  I did the whole run from memory too.  I'm surprised how well I did.  I think I'll take a break and come up with a better plan for next time.

If anyone wants to see it let me know.  It's saved to my recorder's HDD but I can copy it to disc and encode it.  Then I'll figure out how to compress it so uploading it won't take long, or use up a lot of my bandwidth.

Edit:  I had two parts encoded, but I said no to the 2D question again so I had to encode them again.  The first part should be done in a few hours from this edit.  The next sometime tomorrow morning.  Tongue

It's not too bad, but some parts stick out badly.  It's my first SS run so I'm going to keep it anyway.  Also, here's Torchic's IV's: 23, 6, 4, 8, 31, 30, HP Steel 57, mild nature.  So as long as I get a good nature I'll be okay, but good IV's will definitely make a difference.  As long as the nature is lonely, naughty, mild, rash, hasty or naive I'll think I'll go with it.  

Edit 2:  I'm just editing my last post now so it doesn't look like I'm bumping the topic for attention.  I have the run encoded now.  All the qualities look about the same so I might just upload the LQ if anyone wanted to see it.  I think most of you would rather wait for a better run to be made, but if someone saw it they'd know how to do a Torchic SS run and could do it themselves if they wanted to.  I'm nearing my bandwidth limit for the month so if I do upload the run it won't be until next Thursday.
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« Reply #528 on: October 20, 2009, 04:53:42 »
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Congrats, i think this is the first r/s SS actually completed. Keep up the good work. My recording equiptment arrives in the next 3 days so i can finally get started on my segmented run.

good work ascetic swordsman xxx

EDIT: yay i finally got my recording equiptment and .................. it doesnt f*%king work GGGRRRRRRR

I have the gameboy player and everything set up and im using the EasyCAP 2.0 and its proving to be quite difficult. I spent the last 4 hours trying to get it to work as the program it came with, "Ulead Video Studio" wouldnt recognise it. I finally got it to be recognised but when i record there is no sound or picture. Anybody has had this problem or has a solution would be great

thx xxx
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« Reply #529 on: October 29, 2009, 11:53:32 »
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I'd definitely be interested in watching, I'm sure there are plenty of others.

Single-segmenting is probably the toughest challenge, and I'll definitely try and take tips from this when I get around to testing Emerald (I'm a bit burned out after Colosseum, so I want a short break before I get back to it).
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« Reply #530 on: October 29, 2009, 20:11:25 »
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Thanks for the support guys.  I might have some bad news.  I tried uploading the first part up to filefront but the first try stopped after 40% and two hours, and the next a few minutes after it started.  So unless I can get access to a computer with a faster connection speed or mail off a copy of the run to someone who can upload it it's out of the public eye.  I could upload the last part, which is only ten minutes long.  It's of the Drake and Steven battle, then the credits and the last thing I do is show the trainer card for the exact time of the run.

I guess this could be taken as a sign I should just try to do a better run that I could submit instead.  In that case I have a technical question.  I'll take it tech support though since it would be more appropriate there.  

Edit:  Good news.  The run is up.

http://www.filefront.com/14826739/Pokemon_Sapphire_SS_Part1_LQ.mp4/
http://www.filefront.com/14826931/Pokemon_Sapphire_SS-_Part2_LQ.mp4/
http://www.filefront.com/14827113/Pokemon_Sapphire_SS_Part3_LQ.mp4/
http://www.filefront.com/14826805/Pokemon_Sapphire_SS_Part4_LQ.mp4/

It turns out my connection was just really slow yesterday.  As in 16-80 kbp/s, and today it was 300-700 kbp/s.  I'll see if I'm lucky enough to get the rest of the run up.

Also, I could see how this could be helpful for an emerald run.  Since pick-up is now dependent on level my you'll have to grind Torchic to level 16 to evolve before Roxann.  I've been looking into fighting the twins in a double battle before Rustboro, but it's dependent on luck since you need another Pokemon and Zigzagoon is likely to be ko'ed by Seedot's bide in an earlier fight, and catching a wingull/taillow is tricky as you will see.  The other trainers take too long to battle and yield too little experience.

Edit again: I've been looking into ways to improve the Liza and Tate fight.  It turns out Wailord could be useful.  They can be caught in Mossdeep with the super rod and range from level 25-45, and evolve at 40 into wailord.  Wailmer's base stats are 130, 70, 35, 70, 35, 60.  Wailord's are 170, 90, 45, 90, 45, 60.  Wailmer also learns water spout at level 41, so as long as I can catch one above level 40 I'm good.  As long as Wailord's HP stays above 63% WS will be stronger then surf.  I don't think it'll be faster then solrock/lunatone, and I don't know yet how well it can take a psychic or solarbeam.  I was thinking of getting protect for them, but that would mean fighting the rival with Blaziken instead of Kyogre.  I'll have to see how that changes things.  wailmer also learns amnesia at level 46, so if I'm lucky enough to catch a level 45 wailmer it could help it take hits better in it's only fight.  I'll need an extra rare candy too.  I still have to test this out, but it could make things easier in a SS run.
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« Reply #531 on: November 04, 2009, 00:34:28 »
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ok i have my recording equiptment all good now, turns out it doesnt have to go into the tv it can just go stright into the computer, who would have thought... anyway ive started recording and im 5 segments down 40 to go. ill post if anything comes up, expect to see the record broken pretty soon. xxx toodles
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« Reply #532 on: November 05, 2009, 18:20:56 »
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Ascetic Swordsman, I watched parts of your run. I have a lot of comments.

- If you have trouble maneuvering the Mach Bike, get off it and run. Specifically, in cave areas, you should always run when pushing boulders. There is no reason to use Mach Bike there.

- You should not try to dodge trainers while on the Mach Bike. You should walk past them carefully, although you can run to lure them in some direction.

- Were you trying to avoid Lady Cindy? Lady Cindy isn't even a random looking trainer.

- Don't switch to a "finishing move" unless there's a good reason to. Just spam the same attack.

- For some Roselia and Shroomish, it might be better to use Ember instead of Strength/Double Kick to avoid status risk. Though Rival's Shroomish might not be OHKO with Ember.

- In Norman's gym, take the right path after the first Cooltrainer because that second Cooltrainer is the only one who doesn't use an item at the beginning.

- You ran right into one of the Mimic Circle guys. Was that intentional?

- Write down things like maze directions and ice puzzles, instead of memorizing them.

I really like the route planning. Reminds me of how little route planning I did in the TAS. And I thought I did a lot.
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« Reply #533 on: November 05, 2009, 19:55:49 »
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- If you have trouble maneuvering the Mach Bike, get off it and run. Specifically, in cave areas, you should always run when pushing boulders. There is no reason to use Mach Bike there.

- You should not try to dodge trainers while on the Mach Bike. You should walk past them carefully, although you can run to lure them in some direction.

That's a good idea.  I still have to practice with the gba as a controller since the d-pad can't be worse then the gamecube's.  Either that or spend $50 on a hori controller.  That also explains why I had so much trouble avoiding trainers. 

- Were you trying to avoid Lady Cindy? Lady Cindy isn't even a random looking trainer.

- You ran right into one of the Mimic Circle guys. Was that intentional?

All of the fights prior to fighting Roxanne are intentional so Torchic can evolve into Combusken for double-kick.  I'm looking into more efficient fights to save time.  The only one I came up with is the double battle before Rustboro.  I can get 252 exp., but I need to have at least two Pokemon, so I'd have to KO them myself during the fight.  It seems more luck based and not that fast.  I could always hope to get a rare candy or six from pick-up.  After that I only try to fight mandatory trainers, with the exception of the rival in Lilycove.  All of the extra battles are because of bad luck, or mistakes. 

- Don't switch to a "finishing move" unless there's a good reason to. Just spam the same attack.

- For some Roselia and Shroomish, it might be better to use Ember instead of Strength/Double Kick to avoid status risk. Though Rival's Shroomish might not be OHKO with Ember.

Good point.  It would cost a bit of time to switch moves.  I need to plan out my pp usage.  That would also mean I might not need to get every pp restorative item.  A pp up for strength would be nice though.  As for ember, I'll probably have to play it safe and use it.  I'm sure it can't OHKO shroomish and roselia.  Too bad flamethrower and fire blast are the only non contact fire moves at my disposal.  Why does overheat have to be a contact move?  I should try to limit my use of it anyway.

- In Norman's gym, take the right path after the first Cooltrainer because that second Cooltrainer is the only one who doesn't use an item at the beginning.

- Write down things like maze directions and ice puzzles, instead of memorizing them.

I hate that linoone.  I swear it only knows how to use sand attack and headbutt.  I don't fight it because Combusken can't outrun it, so it's safer to fight another trainer.  At level 28, a naive combusken with a 29 speed IV still can't outrun it.  On a related note, having maps handy would make things easier.  I'm still impressed how much I actually managed to remember.  Doing that run gave me new respect for people who do runs like these.  They're not easy.

I really like the route planning. Reminds me of how little route planning I did in the TAS. And I thought I did a lot.

I've still got a lot more to do.  I want to go over my funds to optimize my shopping so I can stockpile super potions.  I found the locations of two hidden revives and a potion on route.  It might be better to limit the number of items I collect though.  Did you know the earliest you can buy revives is in Lavaridge?  I'm also wondering if Wailord could be useful for the Liza and Tate fight.  It would know water spout, which hits both pokemon in a double battle.  It might need rain dance for a OHKO.  I'd like to experiment more with the second rival fight and Winona to find a foolproof plan.  That's all I can think of right now.

The only thing I'd like to know about your TAS is whether Abra could save time by teleporting to Mauville?  There's also deathwarping out of Lavaridge gym, but that would lose your status for facade/guts. 

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« Reply #534 on: November 05, 2009, 20:30:50 »
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How come you didn't kill the Wurmples in the beginning of the run? Is the exp. from killing them that low?
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« Reply #535 on: November 05, 2009, 21:44:32 »
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How come you didn't kill the Wurmples in the beginning of the run? Is the exp. from killing them that low?

You never want to battle the wurmple trainer in any kind of speedrun of the game, takes too long and the exp is shit house Tongue

Just a note, turns out i picked a really shit mudkip, naghty 3/17/17/17/13/2   Cry i really hope i can pull off some of the harder battles

oh and ill post my progress in my sig
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« Reply #536 on: November 07, 2009, 02:24:19 »
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All of the fights prior to fighting Roxanne are intentional so Torchic can evolve into Combusken for double-kick.
I see.

But it appears that you are trying to talk to trainers without the ! appearing. That isn't worth it in most cases.

The only thing I'd like to know about your TAS is whether Abra could save time by teleporting to Mauville?  There's also deathwarping out of Lavaridge gym, but that would lose your status for facade/guts. 
In that case I'd have to catch an Abra, somehow. That would take maybe 20 more seconds. I'm not sure how much time having Abra would save.
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« Reply #537 on: November 07, 2009, 18:30:11 »
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Abra is deffinatly faster, teleport to maville after meteor falls, after flannery and after norman, and teleport to fortree after mt pyre for winona. Also it wouldnt affect your no deathwarping policy you set on your run xxx
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