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« on: August 08, 2008, 08:37:23 »
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The level times are at the bottom of this post.

Tricks/glitches:




Level times: record times are in green, all missions are done on normal difficulty

MissionOld record*Personal recordItemsSegments
Running Interference2:562:51n/a1
Shipping ... and Receiving2:521:551
Framed2:162:02scouting orb, slowfall potion1
Ambush!2:132:04n/a1
Eavesdropping8:387:282 flash bombs, 2 invisibility potions, 3 speed potions2
First City Bank and Trust1:081:07**1
Blackmail3:162:162 fire arrows, invisibility potion1
Trace the Courier5:543:272 invisibility potions, 2 speed potions2
Trail of Blood3:233:212 speed potions***2
Life of the Party6:446:42fire arrow, flash bomb3
Precious Cargo5:414:412 fire arrows, healing potion, speed potion1
Kidnap3:563:432 fire arrows, invisibility potion, 2 mines, 2 speed potions***1
Casing the Joint1:481:062 invisibility potions, 2 speed potions1
Masks3:383:245 fire arows, 3 mines2
Sabotage at Soulforge11:4811:083 fire arrows, 2 frogbeast eggs, invisibility potion, 4 slow-fall potions, 3 speed potions3

*) All of the old records are either from Dreadi (see his post at the bottom of this page), from this page or from this thread (third post).

**) Using v1.07 (the unpatched version).

***) Items are carried over from the previous mission.
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« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2008, 11:09:43 »
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I`m  definitely interested ! ;>
Go for it
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« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2008, 02:26:31 »
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iam also interested.
Already have a Thief 2 video (not a speedrun) with 100% loot. But its not so entertaining to watch than real speedruns with glitches/tricks.
i would even pay for such a speedrun but unfortunately i dont have paypal =D
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« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2008, 13:00:30 »
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I am also interested, and you put up some good glitches already, nice research of these.
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« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2008, 15:15:53 »
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Thanks. I updated the level time list.

edit: Everything went so well in Blackmail until I started recording, guards popping up in the wrong places, guards blocking doorways... I eventually managed to get a time of 4:08. The hard part was getting 700 loot without deviating too much from the fastest route to Truart's bedroom. I also knocked down 6 seconds from Trail of Blood.

Here's Blackmail in 4:08 Cool  (the fun starts at 1:20)
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« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2008, 14:58:09 »
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Ok guys I've recorded Life of the Party (where you go to Angelwatch) and it's insane. It's full of tricks and smooth (roof) maneuvering. I've uploaded it here.

Note that I DON'T use the silver key to get into Karras' vault room. I accidentally discovered that you can also use the red key from the guard in the fort-ish building (with the merlons). You have to get 750 loot on normal difficulty, but all of the loot I encounter on my way to and inside of Angelwatch just adds up perfectly. I got a little nervous when I was on my way back at the bank (with the white-blue tiled floor) because I was afraid to fall. Somehow I had to jump three times before I could attach to the ladder near the fighting archers. Notice that the archers are all frozen, I got distracted by that. Tongue

I've updated the tricks and times. Tell me what you guys think.

edit: I've done Precious Cargo in 6:26, but it was really sloppy. Sub 6:15 is possible.

edit: Kidnap is an oddball level, as all of your items, weapons and loot get carried over from Precious Cargo. This isn't really a problem though, as you only need to use the blackjack and the lockpicks. You might want to carry over the invisibility potion from Precious Cargo, but you can just as easily pick up the one in Kidnap, on the table next to the scripture. It's not necessary, but you can use it to make sure none of the guards will kill your ass while you're lockpicking the doors to site 5. Kidnap will be around 8 minutes long. I've updated the tricks list.
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« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2008, 05:17:01 »
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I'm also very interested in seeing this run! Cheesy
The tricks/glitches and leveltimes sounds nice so far.
But at the moment I can't watch the videos because of my slow internet connection,
so I'll watch them later.... Wink

And I wish you good luck! Smiley
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« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2008, 08:03:07 »
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Thanks. I said Kidnap is gonna take about 8 minutes, well, make it 5. Grin

edit: I got 4:36. Also knocked down 23 seconds off of Precious Cargo.

edit: Here's the Kidnap run. I don't use any items from the previous level. Yes, there is something wrong with the audio when I read books (or in this case, the scripture). You might have noticed the same thing when I read the scripture in Life of the Party, I'm trying to find out what's wrong.

edit: I got 1:52 on Casing the Joint (without reading the letter), but I didn't record it. Now it seems impossible to pull off. The beginning is also pissing me off, you can get stuck in the roof of the storage shed which prevents you fron entering the manor. Angry
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« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2008, 11:41:30 »
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iam also interested.
Already have a Thief 2 video (not a speedrun) with 100% loot. But its not so entertaining to watch than real speedruns with glitches/tricks.
i would even pay for such a speedrun but unfortunately i dont have paypal =D

Interesting, I have a complete playthrough video of Thief: Gold, but I've never seen one for Theif II - do you remember where you found this?

As for above, I'm definitely interested in a T2 speedrun!
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« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2008, 09:19:19 »
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A small update: Sabotage at Soulforge will be sub 20 minutes. I haven't done any attempts at Masks or Eavesdropping. After I have the routes for every level it I'm going to knock off as much time as I can before submitting. It will propably take a month or more because school is starting again. I'm updating the tricks list.
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« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2008, 11:36:00 »
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Interesting, I have a complete playthrough video of Thief: Gold, but I've never seen one for Theif II - do you remember where you found this?

As for above, I'm definitely interested in a T2 speedrun!

good question i dont remember it anymore
a short google gave me this one:
http://www.vuze.com/details/PHR3PXT34KBBECPSBBK4FKO4LT7NTGBT.html
search term: thief 2 walkthrough video
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« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2008, 09:54:31 »
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Just shaved off 40 seconds in Ambush! using a new route. Grin Still isn't perfect though.

edit: updated some stuff.

edit: Ambush! is 8 seconds shorter thanks to a new route. First City Bank and Trust might become sub 5:30 and Casing the Joint will be 1:4x.
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« Reply #12 on: August 31, 2008, 05:50:16 »
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Found a weird glitch in First City Bank and Trust and made a video of it. Check it out here.
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I started doing a speedrun of thief 2 like 4 years ago or something and recorded all but the last level and then I just sort of dropped the project... basically because Soulforge just sucks so much and drove me nuts.
I was playing on hard (which is the medium difficulty after all) and I DID buy stuff from the store.
I think I got just about the best routes for this type of run and my recorded times are as follow:
Running: 3:00
Shipping: 3:59
Framed: 2:16
Ambush!: 2:21
Eavesdropping: 8:38
Bank: 3:58
Blackmail: 3:53
Courier: 5:54
Blood: 3:23
Party: 7:20
Cargo: 6:57
Kidnap: 4:23
Casing: 1:48
Masks: 5:56

There aren't many major tricks you can abuse. Just good route planning and good execution.
There's ofcourse some exceptions. I didn't see you mention a thief trick called "elevatoring" which you can do best with flares (but it can be done with at least scouting orbs). In this trick you need more than one of the used item or it won't work. It basically allows you to mantle on the item that you drop directly on your head and you can get to whatever height you please but it's timeconsuming. I use this trick in framed to get on the wall right at beginning of the mission using a scouting orb I bought. This allows me to get on the buildings and use a slowfall-potionjump (which allows you to jump higher and a lot longer if timed correctly) to get on the policestation wall.
In Trace the courier you can reduce the gametime a lot by guiding the Mosley with a noisemaker arrow. As long as she doesn't see you it's gonna be okay for her to be on full alert. When you guide her to the rigth place the trigger for her dropping the letter is going to activate. When the pagan picks up the letter you now guide him to the cemetery go through the secret door into the cemetery, mantle on a tombstone and over the wall (which is a bit tricky) and run into the portal. It counts as a success if the pagan is just close enough.
In Trail of blood I jump over a big gap using a speedpotion and timing a slowfall-potionjump perfectly to skip a part of the mission.
Life of the party is a perfect mission to use a neat trick that allows you to jump from any height without taking damage. You'll need more than one frogbeast egg for this one (or else it won't work if I remember right). As you're falling you throw a frogbeast egg under yourself just before you hit the ground. You'll bounce off the frogbeast to the side and take no damage at all. I used it 3 times in the party.
In Masks I open a few locked doors by alerting the camera near them and letting the cannon turret blast the doors open (just stand in front of the door and dodge the cannonball at the right moment.)

I hope this helps a bit cause I can't be arsed to finish the run although I still have the videos.
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« Reply #14 on: September 01, 2008, 08:29:26 »
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nice times so far and a funny glitch video in "first city bank and trust"
the pysics simulations in computer games can be so funny
i only say: Oblivion

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