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Quest for Glory is a series of hybrid adventure/role-playing video games. The first in the 5 part series tells the tale that: In the valley barony of Spielburg, the evil ogress Baba Yaga has cursed the land and the baron who tried to drive her off. His children have disappeared, while the land is ravaged by monsters and brigands. Given the choice of 3 different classes it's the player job to save the day and now is the time so click away!

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Single-segment with Fighter: 0:09:27 by Paul 'The Reverend' Miller

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[A NOTE ON DOSBOX SETTINGS]

This run was done on the GOG.com release of the game, with a few settings changed to the DOSBox configuartion. As previously agreed on in my other accepted runs, the configuration file changes XMS and EMS to false to prevent unavoidable crashes which would not allow for single-segment. The video output from "Overlay" to "OpenGL" to allow for FRAPS to make the recording.

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[CREDITS]

Of course, I want to thank SDA for hosting such a great service. It is always my first place to check for speed runs, and the community is always super friendly and helpful. No trolls on these forums that I've encountered. :)

I want to thank Crow! for his advice on a route/strategy change after my first rejected Fighter submission to SDA.

I also would like to thank my wife, for the inspiration needed on running this class to come up with a good strategy. In particular, I kept trying to kill the Kobold to save the bear. My wife caught my frustration, and tongue and cheek suggested I kill the bear. She was right. :)

Also, as a minister, I have to give credit to God for giving me a little extra leisure time to practice the series of games I enjoy.

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[SCENE-BY-SCENE COMMENTARY]

CHARACTER CREATION:
Points allocation in character creation emphasizes magic, throwing and weapon skill. The reason for this is a dependency on throwing, rather than climbing or magic, to do the two major events in the game: the Spirea Plants, and the Bear. More in those specific areas. Magic is used for Open as well as Calm. Weapon Skill allows you to hit the bear consistently and end the fight almost immediately (without dying to stamina loss).

IN THE TOWN:
After I gain control, of the character, I switch the Speed to HIGH. Not changing Detail to low saves a little time. I set movement to Run for obvious speed reasons. I purchase Open spell from Zara's shop, and then head over to the General Store to get two flasks. Using the TAB key to open the inventory, I am able to get the money pouch ready to purchase which saves a few extra seconds in the Magic Shop. Clicking the hand twice on the door to the General Shop avoids dialog with the centaur.

THROWING AND ERANA'S PEACE:
If you collect Rocks outside of the Potion Shop, they collect fast. I am specifically picking up 14 times for a reason. First, it pretty much guarantees my Throwing skill to be strong enough to get the Spirea Seed on the first try everytime. Second, it brings the bear down to one or two hits with the sword. Really, you only need to pick up 11 times, but 14 gives you a buffer to make sure you do not step right into the bear and end the game. Picking up 14 makes it so that I get the "you-are-no-longer-overweight" dialog which is my cue to attack. It is a safety-strat that only costs about two seconds at best. You can kill the bear with less throws, but you almost guarantee you will build your Agility to over 25 which makes the Faerie Circle do the "slow" version of the dance. Even then, the 25 Agility ceiling is tight enough using this strat that sometimes you end up with a "slow" dance anyway.

I head to Erana's Peace to get Calm and the Flowers.

THE BEAR AND THE BRIGANDS AND THE FLOWERS AND THE STABLES:
Killing the bear was originally my wife's idea, as stated in the Credit section. The major change here is that rather than using potions acquired through returning the Ring, I rest for 30 minutes to give myself just enough Stamina to kill the bear (thanks, Crow!), then run immediately out to get the Spirea seed, and make sure I hear the phrase for the Ogre's Cave. The seeds are still the biggest troll of the entire game for speedrunning, and continue to give me nightmares, but it worked out fairly nice here. It seems like you must see the Seed spit once before you can target it with a Rock, and even then, the character only throws the rock on certain cycles. I rest for 60 minutes, and head to the Stables to kill more time and Stamina to be able to rest again. One more 60 minute rest makes it night.

MEEPS, FAIRIES, DRYAD, FLYING WATER AND THE DISPEL POTION:
I immediate run to the Meeps and get the Green Fur next. I rest 60 minutes just as I reach them and the game transitions to night. This allows me to get the Fairy Dust, which shows off the "fast" version of the dance.

By waiting until night, you do not have to chase the White Stag to get to the Dryad either. I sleep by the Dryad's tree to skip to the next day, but I move closer to the tree when I do so that when I awake, the Dryad scene immediately fires and gives me the next ingredient for the Dispel Potion. After getting the last ingredient (Flying Water), I head to the Potion Shop to make the Dispel Potion.

THE ANTWERP AND THE FORT:
I run down to the Antwerp and cast Open to reveal/open the lock on the secret door. This door is a little frustrating on the RNG as well, but not nearly as bad as the Spirea Plants. Clicking the mouth icon on the character/door uses the secret phrase to allow you into the Cave. I rest for 60 minutes in here, thinking I will not have enough Magic Points which is incorrect. It is a reflex from running the "major skips" category which does require a rest. It does not eat up more than two or three seconds. The fact that there was no RNG encounters in the run MORE than makes up for it. I cast Calm on the Minotaur, head for the door casting Open on the way.

BRIGANDS CAFETERIA:
This section is pretty straight forward. You have to wait for specific moments or else the room will kill you, and you MUST wait for chandelier to fall on the Stooges to open the door. Not waiting results in a Game Over.

YORICK'S ROOM AND THE END OF THE GAME:
This went so smooth; I am happy with this Yorick's Room. Using TAB is much faster to get out the Dispel Potion, and there is no reason to switch to running to exit the room. Switching to run actually costs about a second more because of the menus than simply walking the short distance to the end of the game.

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AREAS FOR IMPROVEMENT

Better input, optimization of time/agility/throwing/stamina management of the bear fight, and a bit more speed on the Spirea Seed, but with no RNG encounters of any kind in this run, those might amount to ten seconds or so.

Single-segment with Magic-User: 0:10:29 by Paul 'The Reverend' Miller

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[A NOTE ON DOSBOX SETTINGS]

This run was done on the GOG.com release of the game, with a few settings changed to the DOSBox configuartion. It has come to my attention that changing the memory information and adding one line to the code prevents pretty much all of the "out of handles" crashing glitches. XMS=false. EMS=false. One of these two changes (maybe both) fixes so many of the crashes. I want to thank Crow! for sharing the information with me and for Puri_puri for teaching him. Also, the video output from "Overlay" to "OpenGL" to allow for FRAPS to make the recording.

I have been in touch with the person who configured the DOSBox package for GOG.com, and he is going to be looking into why the "out of handles" glitches happen. This game expects a regular amount of save/load, which naturally eliminates many of these crashes.

In particular, I encountered a 100% consistent crash when moving from the Brigand's Cafeteria to Yorick's Maze, which crashed the game with this "out of handles" error.An immediate save/load in the Brigand's Cafeteria fixes this, but looks clunky/"like a safe-strat" in a short single-segment run which isn't necessary. And while I haven't asked them officially, I can say these crashes are definitely NOT what the Cory and Lori Cole wanted to see in their finished game.

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[CREDITS]

Of course, I want to thank SDA for hosting such a great service. It is always my first place to check for speed runs, and the community is always super friendly and helpful. No trolls on these forums that I've encountered. :)

I want to thank Crow! for his advice on speed-ups after my first accepted submission to SDA. I went back to attempting runs with all three characters again, and grinded all day to make it happen. His suggestions (specifically, the use of the TAB key) are what made this and other new optimizations possible. Also, his suggestions on optimizing Fetch skill gain, which is something I initially thought was not feasible given the ridiculous inconsistency of the skill gains in magic.

Also, as a minister, I have to give credit to God for giving me a little extra leisure time to practice the series of games I enjoy.

***I WANT IT NOTED THAT OF THE THREE CLASSES IN THE GAME, THE MAGIC-USER IS THE MOST RIDICULOUSLY DIFFICULT TO GET RIGHT. I WILL NEVER AGAIN ATTEMPT THIS ROUTE. THAT IS A PROMISE.***

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[SCENE-BY-SCENE COMMENTARY]

CHARACTER CREATION:
Points allocation in character creation emphasizes magic and stealth. That extra five points in Magic is so, so, so important.

IN THE TOWN:
After I gain control, of the character, I switch the Speed to HIGH. Not changing Detail to low saves a little time. I set movement to Run for obvious speed reasons. The only thing I will do here is get the Open spell from Zara's shop; nothing else. Using the TAB key to open the inventory, I am able to get the money pouch ready to purchase which saves a few extra seconds.

ERANA'S PEACE:
Getting the Flowers and Calm goes straight forward. Of special note, I use the time I am switching to 'run' after leaving the garden to take a 30 minute rest. This is so important. Resting and time management in this run is hardest of all.

THE KOBOLD, THE BRIGANDS, POTIONS, FETCH, RESTING AND THE SEED - I HATE THEM ALL:
After stealthing my character to the Key, I use the Open spell to force the secret chest open, and go for what Crow! called the "chest dive" (I love that term). I get the coins, and get out before the Kobold can hit me with a single spell. This money is necessary for the Fetch spell and Mana Potions, and prevents the need to farm mushrooms. I free the bear, and immediately head down to Brigands to hear the secret cave phrase.

I head back into town to buy the Fetch Spell with my new-found Kobold loot, and head to the Potion Shop to get the Ring.

***THINGS ARE ABOUT TO BECOME COMPLICATED***
For some reason unknown (at least to me), there are random times where casting Fetch results in a double-casting of the spell. My goal is to cast the spell four times, go in, buy three Mana Potions after trading in the Ring, and come back out and get an additional eleven casts in. This is an attempt to maximize my Fetch spell skill to get the Spirea Seed... if a double-cast happens in here, it causes me to run out of mana faster. You get double skills gains sometimes, but it is, again, RNG based. Also, you cannot tell the difference of when it happens, and you may run out of mana with nothing left to resort to.

I get my eleven casts off, PRAYING that my Fetch skill is high enough to get the Spirea Seed. Also note, I rested for THIRTY minutes instead of sixty. This is so, so, so important, and I will explain why in a second. I head to do the stable work, and then exit to the Spirea Seed. You can technically rest for 60 minutes rather than 30, and it theorhetically could work, but when you leave the Stable, depending on the RNG time-gods, you make it to the Spirea Plant just as it begins to transition to night. If you cast Fetch, it false-locks the game because the plants will not spit the seeds at night. I call it a "false-lock" because you can, technically, wait until morning and the seeds will start up again. As this would take somewhere in the 20 minute range, it DID result in a restart in a previous attempt that showed promise.

As I get to the Spirea Plant, somewhere in the last round of Fetch casts, I had a double-cast glitch. It said I was out of mana, and having come this far, I took the risk and did a 30 minute rest PRAYING it did not turn to night. It amazingly worked... but then, I had another fear; was it still TOO early, and had I wasted my rests?

MEEPS, FAIRIES, DRYAD, FLYING WATER AND THE DISPEL POTION:
I run to the Meeps, and hope to see the screen transition to night as I travel or talk to them. No such luck, and I realize this might just be the end of the attempt. I give it a shot, and attempt to rest for 30 minutes, and I have no reason for why it worked. But it did, and I realized this was probably going to be the run that made it happen; I just had to hope I got the "fast faerie" dance, which I did... This is now the home stretch.

By waiting until night, you do not have to chase the White Stag to get to the Dryad. I sleep by the Dryad's tree to skip to the next day, but I move closer to the tree when I do so that when I awake, the Dryad scene immediately fires and gives me the next ingredient for the Dispel Potion. Everything else has been going fantastic, and I am well ahead of my personal best. I then head to the Potion Shop to make the Dispel Potion. This section is much more consistent now that I have the TAB strategy. There is a random encounter that I run into, but escape quickly enough that I decide not to sweat the four or so seconds it costs, given the EXTREME amount of frustration this route has caused me.

THE ANTWERP AND THE FORT:
I run down to the Antwerp and cast Open to reveal/open the lock on the secret door. This door is a little frustrating on the RNG, but goes smoothly enough. Clicking the mouth icon on the character/door uses the secret phrase to allow you into the Cave. I cast Calm on the Minotaur, head for the door casting Open on the way.

BRIGANDS CAFETERIA:
This section is pretty straight forward. You have to wait for specific moments or else the room will kill you, and you MUST wait for chandelier to fall on the Stooges to open the door. Not waiting results in a Game Over.

YORICK'S ROOM AND THE END OF THE GAME:
This area has been much improved since my previous Thief run. In particular is my use of the NUMPAD to move the character out of particular areas, rather than relying on the mouse. I do run into a little bit of trouble getting to the second door, but as this is the end of a very long battle with this route, I am happy enough.

Using TAB is much faster to get out the Dispel Potion, and there is no reason to switch to running to exit the room. Switching to run actually costs about a second more because of the menus than simply walking the short distance to the end of the game.

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[AREAS FOR IMPROVEMENT]

Good luck. I mean it; find another route, because this one will only stress you out restart after restart. This run should be in the 10:21 range if I understand SDA timing rules, and I hope if/when it is beaten, it looks nothing like this route. God-save the poor soul who goes through it.

Single-segment with Large-skip glitches: 0:04:14 by Paul 'The Reverend' Miller

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[A NOTE ON DOSBOX SETTINGS]

There are no necessary changes for this category to prevent crashing. The only change in the DOSBox settings is changing the render to OpenGL to allow Fraps to record it.

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[CREDITS]

Of course, I want to thank SDA for hosting such a great service. It is always my first place to check for speed runs, and the community is always super friendly and helpful. No trolls on these forums that I've encountered. :)

I need to thank my three-year-old son, Wesley, for bumping my arm in the last room while he was sitting on my lap during a casual playthrough. Three-year-olds never sit still. It threw me off just long enough to see this game-breaking glitch that skips pretty much the entire game.

Also, as a minister, I have to give credit to God for giving me a little extra leisure time to practice the series of games I enjoy.

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[ABOUT CATEGORY]

I propose this as a different category, Low% or something to the like.

The reason I suggest this is that uses a new, major sequence-breaking glitch to complete the game, and leaves all major quest points out. It also destroys the differentiation between character classes, failing to show off what high-level gameplay looks like as well. The reason is that the Magic-User and the Thief will have the EXACT same route, doing the EXACT same actions, and have the EXACT same skill requirements; Stealth 35 and Magic of any number are the only requirements necessary to win in this route. The only difference is the Fighter, who trains Stealth for an additional 30 seconds or so to hit 35 Stealth, then completes the route EXACTLY the same. It takes my major gripe about Quest for Glory 2 speedrunning and then takes it to the next level.

Glitch% doesn't fit the bill completely either, because there is one other major stat-glitch that can be done on the opening screen before the gameplay timer starts that allows the classes to max (and beyond) all of their starting stats. I wholly argue this is cheating, as it affects the game before the gameplay timer. One uses a glitch during the timing that any class can perform; the other is abusing the game literally from the click of "Start."

It is interesting, though, that adding more glitches to the game actually brings back the differences between the three classes. If you want to see what those runs look like, I have a link here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLjK4P8EdMoqPfsxJTNHsaMx_sHRpDmyLq

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[SCENE-BY-SCENE COMMENTARY]

CHARACTER CREATION:
There are only two requirements: 35 Stealth, and any level of Magic to get the Open/Calm spells. I put the rest in Strength to speed up opening the rock door.

IN THE TOWN:
The only thing I need to get is the Open spell.

ERANA'S PEACE:
The only thing I need to get is the Calm spell.

KOBOLD, BEAR AND BRIGANDS:
Stealth the key from the Kobold (35 required) and free the bear. This allows you to hear the "Hiden Goseke" password to get past the troll in the secret entrance to the Brigand's Cave.

SPIREA, MEEPS, FAIRIES, DRYAD, FLYING WATER AND THE DISPEL POTION:
None of that here.

IN THE FOREST:
This is the most dangerous part of the run because of the chance of a random encounter. North/South is much safer than East/West, but East/West is not completely avoidable. I also have to hear the conversation between Bruno and the brigand on the OTHER side of the wall. The major reason is that by trying to get the to cave from the otherside will result in a instant-kill from Bruno if you go to that screen too soon after the conversation. I use the graveyard as a buffer to make certain I do not have a random encounter. After that, I have to get past the white deer.

ANTWERP, CAVE, MINOTAUR:
After casting Open, my Magic Points are pretty much depleted, so once I get in the cave, I set my movement point, change my speed to Run again which was reset to Walking because of the white deer encounter, and rest for 60 minutes. This gives me enough Magic Points to cast Calm and Open to get into the Brigand's Fort.

BRIGANDS CAFETERIA:
This section is pretty straight forward. You have to wait for specific moments or else the room will kill you, and you MUST wait for chandelier to fall on the Stooges to open the door. Not waiting results in a Game Over.

YORICK'S ROOM:
Using the NumPad speeds this up, but something happens in Low% and Glitch% that makes Yorick ALWAYS throw an item at you, where as in a full run you do not have this issue. The only way to get rid of Yorick in the VGA remake is to cast Flame Dart at him. As this would add time to the run by forcing you back into town, it is MUCH faster to take the hit.

BRIGAND LEADER'S ROOM:
Here is the star of the show. I'm calling it the "Wesley Glitch" after its founder. By throwing anything (Dagger, Rock, etc) you are able to reset the freeze on the character which prevents walking. Once you are free, you simply walk to the back exit of the room which triggers the ending scene, proclaiming you a hero who saved the Baron's daughter even when you didn't.

A few things to note:
1. You cannot throw the dagger at the Brigand Leader; she will kill you.
2. You cannot grab the magic mirror; she will kill you.
3. You cannot waste too much time; she will kill you (and it will be funny, because she stabs at air and you fall over).
4. The only safe thing you can do is exit.

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[AREAS FOR IMPROVEMENT]

Betters controls. I'm thrilled with this glitch and it will make its way into my marathon run.

Single-segment with Thief: 0:09:16 by Paul 'The Reverend' Miller

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Author's comments:

[A NOTE ON DOSBOX SETTINGS]

This run was done on the GOG.com release of the game, with a few settings changed to the DOSBox configuartion. It has come to my attention that changing the memory information and adding one line to the code prevents pretty much all of the "out of handles" crashing glitches. XMS=false. EMS=false. One of these two changes (maybe both) fixes so many of the crashes. I want to thank Crow! for sharing the information with me and for Puri_puri for teaching him. Also, the video output from "Overlay" to "OpenGL" to allow for FRAPS to make the recording.

I have been in touch with the person who configured the DOSBox package for GOG.com, and he is going to be looking into why the "out of handles" glitches happen. This game expects a regular amount of save/load, which naturally eliminates many of these crashes.

In particular, I encountered a 100% consistent crash when moving from the Brigand's Cafeteria to Yorick's Maze, which crashed the game with this "out of handles" error.An immediate save/load in the Brigand's Cafeteria fixes this, but looks clunky/"like a safe-strat" in a short single-segment run which isn't necessary. And while I haven't asked them officially, I can say these crashes are definitely NOT what the Cory and Lori Cole wanted to see in their finished game.

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[CREDITS]

Of course, I want to thank SDA for hosting such a great service. It is always my first place to check for speed runs, and the community is always super friendly and helpful. No trolls on these forums that I've encountered. :)

I want to thank Crow! for his advice on speed-ups after my first accepted submission to SDA. I went back to attempting runs with all three characters again, and grinded all day to make it happen. His suggestions (specifically, the use of the TAB key) are what made this and other new optimizations possible.

Also, as a minister, I have to give credit to God for giving me a little extra leisure time to practice the series of games I enjoy.

After reworking all three classes, I saved the Thief for the last one to try again simply because it is the most consistent of the three classes. Thought the Spirea Plants may kill individual runs, I should never run into a situation where I die or run out of time, which makes this run a bit less intense.

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[SCENE-BY-SCENE COMMENTARY]

CHARACTER CREATION:
Points allocation in character creation emphasizes magic, stealth and a little extra to strength. The extra points to strength make for much more consistent opening of the door to the Troll's Cave, which was an area that could eat a few seconds with bad RNG, without sacrificing time on climbing which builds fast enough.

IN THE TOWN:
After I gain control, of the character, I switch the Speed to HIGH. Not changing Detail to low saves a little time. I set movement to Run for obvious speed reasons. Using the TAB key to open the inventory, I am able to get the money pouch ready to purchase which saves a few extra seconds. In the General Store, I buy two flasks. Rather than using TAB in here, I find it faster to use the top bar which already has the money pouch ready to go from my previous purchase. In the back alley, I am training climbing, which is a little inconsistent but not terrible to restart on since it is very early. I am looking for the "exhausted" dialog to pop past and to go a little beyond before climbing. That is pretty consistent to climb up to the Spirea Plants.

SPIREA PLANT:
After climbing the wall, I immediate run north to avoid an extra dialog from the centaur. If you run to the left, you can't go fast enough to miss the dialog box, but north is a shorter route. I then head for the Spirea Plants, which is a bit different from my other runs. I climb and get the Seed, which is within a second or two of perfect RNG, and head east and north to get the Erana's Peace. Before reaching it, I rest for 30 minutes. If I do not immediately have an RNG encounter when travelling east/west, it means that there is no enemy encounter that will appear, so it is safe to rest. The same cannot be said for north/south, which will still have the enemies appear from the east/west only slower. To avoid RNG encounters, north/south is safer. To rest while running, east/west is safer, because the sleep box will be grayed out if there is an encounter.

ERANA'S PEACE, KOBOLD, BEAR, BRIGANDS, AND STABLES:
Getting the Flowers and Calm goes straight forward. After stealthing my character to the Key, I free the bear using a pretty optimized series of movements, and head down to the Brigands; followed by a 60 minute rest and the stables to chew up more time/stamina.

MEEPS, FAIRIES, DRYAD, FLYING WATER AND THE DISPEL POTION:
I run to the Meeps through the special goblin arena, because that elimiates a few screens for bad RNG encounters. Also, I know I will have the ability in the next screen to rest for 60 minutes to transition to night and not have an encounter in the next north/south movement. Get the Meeps, get the Faerie Dust (a "fast" dance is impossible for thieves, because they begin with 25 Agility and continue to build as their other stats increase. At this point, my Agility is likely in the 35 range because of the Climbing training.)

By waiting until night, you do not have to chase the White Stag to get to the Dryad. I sleep by the Dryad's tree to skip to the next day, but I move closer to the tree when I do so that when I awake, the Dryad scene immediately fires and gives me the next ingredient for the Dispel Potion. I have one random encounter on the way to the waterfall, and because I know the NumPad keys to get out of combat quickly now, I escape almost immediately. After getting the water, I head to the Potion Shop to make the Dispel Potion. This section is much more consistent now that I have the TAB strategy.

THE ANTWERP AND THE FORT:
No more random encounters. I run down to the Antwerp and cast Open to reveal/open the lock on the secret door. The door opens about as quickly as I could ever hope. Clicking the mouth icon on the character/door uses the secret phrase to allow you into the troll cave. I cast Calm on the Minotaur, head for the door casting Open on the way. The Fort is just matter of precise clicking, and not really difficult (though it has cost me a few runs in the past).

BRIGANDS CAFETERIA:
This section is pretty straight forward. You have to wait for specific moments or else the room will kill you, and you MUST wait for chandelier to fall on the Stooges to open the door. Not waiting results in a Game Over.

YORICK'S ROOM AND THE END OF THE GAME:
This area has been much improved since my previous Thief run. In particular is my use of the NUMPAD to move the character out of particular areas, rather than relying on the mouse. I am not sure I can get this room to go more than second or two faster, and am pleased as heck with it.

Using TAB is much faster to get out the Dispel Potion, and there is no reason to switch to running to exit the room. Switching to run actually costs about a second more because of the menus than simply walking the short distance to the end of the game.

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[AREAS FOR IMPROVEMENT]

Better RNG with encounters, Spirea Plants and the rock door, and even then, they are pretty consistent. Past that, this run is about as solid as I could ever expect to get. Sub 9-minute is certainly possible, but it would take quite a bit of RNG grinding to make happen. Even then, it would be tight.

Single-segment with Thief: 0:05:32 by Paul 'The Reverend' Miller

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[ON THE VERSION]

This is run on the official GOG.com settings, which sets DOSBox to a fixed 10,000 cycles. Actually, it is the GOG.com DOSBox configuration files, but run on an older version of the game. This run was done on version 1.00 of the game, which was known as Hero's Quest I. It was later changed to Quest for Glory by Sierra in subsequent versions and on through the series due to a copyright issue. The GOG.com release is version 1.20.

The only change to the DOSBox configuration file is to output to OpenGL instead of Overlay to allow Fraps to record.

The reason it is run on version 1.00 is because there is a specific exploit that eliminates having to save the Baronet and allows immediate safe entry into the final area of the game. This knocks off a good two minutes or so which is explain in detail below.

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[CREDITS]

Of course, I want to thank SDA for hosting such a great service. It is always my first place to check for speed runs, and the community is always super friendly and helpful. No trolls on these forums that I've encountered. :)

Renault's 2007 run was the major inspiration to running this game, and the completion and acceptance of the other categories made me want to finish out the cycle. I was thrilled when I first saw Renault's run, but was disappointed as very few people ever went back to try and improve on it despite it being a fantastic game. After trying to duplicate his attempt, I realized his keyboard skills far outpaced my own and shelved the idea for the VGA version. Once the VGA runs were done, it was a matter of taking what I had learned and applying it to the earlier version, as there were a number of optimizations discovered. Running the VGA version and routing that one adjusting the route for this EGA version very easy.

There are a number of differences between this and the VGA remake done by Sierra a few years later, and where those places occur I will mention it through the scene by scene commentary.

Finally, as a minister, I have to give credit to God for giving me a little extra leisure time to practice the series of games I enjoy.

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[A NOTE ABOUT THE CLASSES]

I feel that this is the fastest route barring the discovery of a newer glitch or a way to avoid the Fort to transition to night. The major differences in class routes have to do with saving the Baronet, and since this is not done at all, this poses a different kind of problem with the different classes.

The Thief and Magic-User routes are COMPLETELY identical in Any%. Here is an example of what I mean:
The Thief spends points to get 5 Magic, raises Climbing to 35 and leaves 5 extra points once this is done (usually for Strength).
The Magic-User spends points to get 35 Climbing (he already has magic) and leaves 5 points once this is done (usually for Strength).
Because their skills are identical for purposes of the route, what is done with the Thief can be done with the Magic-User with absolutely no difference in action. It would be boring to submit an identical run to this with the Magic-User.

The only difference in route is with the Fighter, who does not have enough starting skill points to get both Magic and Climbing. This is easily fixed by spending points on Throwing instead, but that changes the opening route slightly as he cannot climb over the back-alley wall. However, once the Fighter gets some Rocks and easily obtains the Spirea Seed with his 45 Throwing skill, the route merges and becomes identical from there at about the 1:00 to 1:30 mark. This may end up being about as fast because of the RNG of Strength and the door to Troll's Cave, because the Fighter takes less time about 90% of the time. The difference in time is likely only about a maximum 20-30 seconds, and even that might be less.

This is strictly a version 1.00 problem because you can skip saving the Baronet only in this version.

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[SCENE-BY-SCENE COMMENTARY]

CHARACTER CREATION:
Points allocation in character creation emphasizes magic, climbing and a little extra to strength. The extra points to strength make for much more consistent opening of the door to the Troll's Cave, which was an area that could eat a few seconds with bad RNG. Climbing 35 is entirely for collecting the Spirea seed. Climbing 30 occasionally does not always work on the Spirea Seed cliffs, but Climbing 35 is 100% safe. Magic is for the Open spell and the Calm spell.

TOWN PURCHASES:
I begin by pressing the + button on the keyboard to max the game speed. Once I gain control of the actual character, I buy the Open spell by heading to the left of the screen and then over to the General Store to buy two flasks (one for Fairy Dust and the second for the Flying Water).

TAVERN:
I head into the tavern to get thrown out twice. This changes the time to "sunset." I guess the idea is that when you make Crusher the Bouncer mad, he roughs you up for a while before throwing you out on the front door. This is key.

In later versions, you need to save Baronet before noon to hear the password for the secret cave. Since the early part of the day is no longer necessary, the only thing I need daylight for after my purchases is to catch the Spirea Seed. The plants don't spit at night.

Another difference between this and the VGA version is this back-alley wall. While this is still the best place to train, after a few attempts at climbing the wall the game will tell you that you are going to attract unwanted attention if you continue trying. You have to exit and re-enter that screen with takes about a half of a second and then you can make another 2-5 attempts before you have to reset the screen again. The number of attempts you can make before you have to re-enter the screen is random, from what I can tell. That does not happen in the VGA version, and the wall is the best early place to train because of it. With my Climbing skill at 35, it is just the fastest way out of the town for my next destination.

SPIREA PLANT:
The next obvious difference between the EGA and VGA versions is the use of keyboard for almost all movements. The screens north/south and east/west don't always line up right, so getting caught on bushes is common. It is almost always quickly fixed. It's more difficult with doors, but at least with the doors there isn't the constant threat of RNG encounters with monsters. They are far more frequent in the EGA version, and nearly impossible to avoid when the game speed is turned up to the highest. Luckily, there are no encounters, although you do get to see a goblin chase me.

I reach the plants, climb up and immediately press the up key which activates catching for some reason. This is pretty much perfect RNG.

ERANA'S PEACE AND THE STABLES:
Getting the Flowers and Calm goes straight forward, with a little bit of keyboard frustration.

The next thing is to transition to night. When you type "rest" it only advances 10 minutes at a time. In the VGA version, you have the option to rest for 60 minutes at a time. This makes resting in the EGA version tedious, but also has the unfortunate side-effect of not allowing enough time to pass for night to actually start. Luckily, the stables scene can skipped by simply pressing enter again after agreeing to work.

MEEPS, FAIRIES, DRYAD, FLYING WATER AND THE DISPEL POTION:
I run to the Meeps through the special goblin arena, because that elimiates a few screens for bad RNG encounters. The Meeps give me the fur, the Faeries give me the dust, and I sleep at the Dryad's Tree and get the Acorn. Running straight east, I get the Flying Water and head north and get the Dispel Potion. Fast and uneventful.

THE ANTWERP AND THE FORT:
Once I reach the Antwerp and the secret entrance to the Brigand's Fort, you have to position yourself VERY specifically to find the keyhole. I have no idea why it is so specific, but once you find the keyhole it is a matter of unlocking the door with the Open spell and forcing the door with Strength. You build strength with every attempt and do not lose stamina. The exact strength needed to open the door seems to be RNG affected, either by how much you randomly gain with each attempt or whether or not it actually opens. This was great RNG, by my estimation.

The biggest time saver is here, where I type "hiden goseke," which is the password that I shouldn't know because I never listened to the Brigands after saving the Baronet (because I never did). This only works in version 1.00, and was patched out in every other version I tried.

I cast Calm immediately to prevent the Minotaur from moving too far to the right. He just travels back across to the rock to sleep, so the closer he is to it, the faster you can get to the next action. Cast Open, open the gate and enter the Fort. The Fort area goes quick.

BRIGANDS CAFETERIA:
This section is pretty straight forward, with little difference from the VGA. The triggers for each event are pretty specific, and when the game speed is turned up, you do not really have to wait between the next actions in the text-parser. You also do not have to wait for the chandelier to fall on the Stooges like in the VGA version.

YORICK'S ROOM AND THE END OF THE GAME:
This area is dangerous at this high of a game speed. In particular, the false last door falls quickly and kills you if you do not get out of the way. By mentioning Elsa in the EGA version, Yorick disappears. If he doesn't disappear, he trolls you with all kinds of trash that stuns you and pretty much makes everything impossible to do in time. Throw the potion at Elsa and exit the door, which costs me a second because I get stuck for some reasons. Annoying.
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[AREAS FOR IMPROVEMENT]

Better controls, but even then, the RNG alone makes this a difficult run to beat. If EVERYTHING went right, I could see sub 5:00 being possible, but ONLY if everything went the way you want it. I would love to see what a TAS would look like.f

Single-segment with Fighter: 0:05:35 by Paul 'The Reverend' Miller

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[ON THE VERSION]

This is run on the official GOG.com settings, which sets DOSBox to a fixed 10,000 cycles. Actually, it is the GOG.com DOSBox configuration files, but run on an older version of the game. This run was done on version 1.00 of the game, which was known as Hero's Quest I. It was later changed to Quest for Glory by Sierra in subsequent versions and on through the series due to a copyright issue. The GOG.com release is version 1.20.

The only change to the DOSBox configuration file is to output to OpenGL instead of Overlay to allow Fraps to record.

The reason it is run on version 1.00 is because there is a specific exploit that eliminates having to save the Baronet and allows immediate safe entry into the final area of the game. This knocks off a good two minutes or so which is explained in detail below.

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[CREDITS]

Of course, I want to thank SDA for hosting such a great service. It is always my first place to check for speed runs, and the community is always super friendly and helpful. No trolls on these forums that I've encountered. :)

Renault's 2007 run was the major inspiration to running this game, and the completion and acceptance of the other categories made me want to finish out the cycle. I was thrilled when I first saw Renault's run, but was disappointed as very few people ever went back to try and improve on it despite it being a fantastic game. After trying to duplicate his attempt, I realized his keyboard skills far outpaced my own and shelved the idea for the VGA version. Once the VGA runs were done, it was a matter of taking what I had learned and applying it to the earlier version, as there were a number of optimizations discovered. Running the VGA version and routing that one adjusting the route for this EGA version very easy. A little bit of practice getting my keyboard skills where they needed to be for this game, and here we are.

There are a number of differences between this and the VGA remake done by Sierra a few years later, and where those places occur I will mention it through the scene by scene commentary.

Finally, as a minister, I have to give credit to God for giving me a little extra leisure time to practice the series of games I enjoy.

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[A NOTE ABOUT THE CLASSES]

I feel that this is the fastest route barring the discovery of a newer glitch or a way to avoid the Fort to transition to night. The major differences in class routes have to do with saving the Baronet, and since this is not done at all, this poses a different kind of problem with the different classes.

The Thief and Magic-User routes are COMPLETELY identical in Any%. Here is an example of what I mean:
The Thief spends points to get 5 Magic, raises Climbing to 35 and leaves 5 extra points once this is done (usually for Strength).
The Magic-User spends points to get 35 Climbing (he already has magic) and leaves 5 points once this is done (usually for Strength).
Because their skills are identical for purposes of the route, what is done with the Thief can be done with the Magic-User with absolutely no difference in action. It would be boring to submit an identical run to this with the Magic-User.

The only difference in route is with the Fighter, who does not have enough starting skill points to get both Magic and Climbing. This is easily fixed by spending points on Throwing instead, but that changes the opening route slightly as he cannot climb over the back-alley wall. However, once the Fighter gets some Rocks and easily obtains the Spirea Seed with his 45 Throwing skill, the route merges and becomes identical from there at about the 1:00 to 1:30 mark. The difference in time is likely only about a maximum 20-30 seconds, and might end up being closer to even. The four minute area is pretty dependent on Strength, and since the Fighter has higher Strength, it might end up being even. Even climbing out of the Fort when the game transitions to night requires no Climbing skill.

This is strictly a version 1.00 problem because you can skip saving the Baronet only in this version.

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[SCENE-BY-SCENE COMMENTARY]

CHARACTER CREATION:
Points allocation in character creation emphasizes magic and throwing. Throwing will be at 45, which is consistent enough for one attempt at the Spirea Seeds. Magic is for the Open spell and the Calm spell.

TOWN PURCHASES:
I begin by pressing the + button on the keyboard to max the game speed. Once I gain control of the actual character, I buy the Open spell by heading to the left of the screen and then over to the General Store to buy two flasks (one for Fairy Dust and the second for the Flying Water).

TAVERN:
I head into the tavern to get thrown out twice. This changes the time to "sunset." I guess the idea is that when you make Crusher the Bouncer mad, he roughs you up for a while before throwing you out on the front door. This is key.

In later versions, you need to save Baronet before noon to hear the password for the secret cave. Since the early part of the day is no longer necessary, the only thing I need daylight for after my purchases is to catch the Spirea Seed. The plants don't spit at night.

I head out of the front gate of town and get some rocks on the way for the next part.

SPIREA PLANT:
The next obvious difference between the EGA and VGA versions is the use of keyboard for almost all movements. The screens north/south and east/west don't always line up right, so getting caught on bushes is common. It is almost always quickly fixed. It's more difficult with doors, but at least with the doors there isn't the constant threat of RNG encounters with monsters. They are far more frequent in the EGA version, and nearly impossible to avoid when the game speed is turned up to the highest. Luckily, there are no encounters.

I reach the plants, throw the rock and knock out the seed and head out.

ERANA'S PEACE AND THE STABLES:
Getting the Flowers and Calm goes straight forward.

The next thing is to transition to night. When you type "rest" it only advances 10 minutes at a time. In the VGA version, you have the option to rest for 60 minutes at a time. This makes resting in the EGA version tedious, but also has the unfortunate side-effect of not allowing enough time to pass for night to actually start. Luckily, the stables scene can skipped by simply pressing enter again after saying "yes," and climbing out of the Fort can be done even if the character has no Climbing skill at all, as demonstrated here.

MEEPS, FAIRIES, DRYAD, FLYING WATER AND THE DISPEL POTION:
I run to the Meeps through the special goblin arena, because that elimiates a few screens for bad RNG encounters.

The Meeps give me the fur, the Faeries give me the dust, and I sleep at the Dryad's Tree and get the Acorn. Running straight east, I get the Flying Water and head north and get the Dispel Potion. Fast and uneventful.

THE ANTWERP AND THE FORT:
Once I reach the Antwerp and the secret entrance to the Brigand's Fort, you have to position yourself VERY specifically to find the keyhole. I have no idea why it is so specific, but once you find the keyhole it is a matter of unlocking the door with the Open spell and forcing the door with Strength. You build strength with every attempt and do not lose stamina. The exact strength needed to open the door seems to be RNG affected, either by how much you randomly gain with each attempt or whether or not it actually opens. This was great RNG.

The biggest time saver is here, where I type "hiden goseke," which is the password that I shouldn't know because I never listened to the Brigands after saving the Baronet (because I never did). This only works in version 1.00, and was patched out in every other version I tried.

I cast Calm immediately to prevent the Minotaur from moving too far to the right. He just travels back across to the rock to sleep, so the closer he is to it, the faster you can get to the next action. Cast Open, open the gate and enter the Fort. The Fort area goes quick.

BRIGANDS CAFETERIA:
This section is pretty straight forward, with little difference from the VGA. The triggers for each event are pretty specific, and when the game speed is turned up, you do not really have to wait between the next actions in the text-parser. You also do not have to wait for the chandelier to fall on the Stooges like in the VGA version.

YORICK'S ROOM AND THE END OF THE GAME:
This area is dangerous at this high of a game speed. In particular, the false last door falls quickly and kills you if you do not get out of the way. By mentioning Elsa in the EGA version, Yorick disappears. If he doesn't disappear, he trolls you with all kinds of trash that stuns you and pretty much makes everything impossible to do in time. Once you get through the door, the end is pretty much a guarantee. I throw the Dispel Potion. Once I exit through where Yorick was the timer stops.

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[AREAS FOR IMPROVEMENT]

Better controls, but even then, I doubt there will be massive time saves unless there is another glitch that appears. This was pretty much the best RNG I could have hoped for in this scenario.

Single-segment with Large-skip glitches, Magic-User: 0:02:09 by Paul 'The Reverend' Miller

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[ON THE VERSION]

This is run on the official GOG.com settings, which sets DOSBox to a fixed 10,000 cycles. Actually, it is the GOG.com DOSBox configuration files, but run on an older version of the game. This run was done on version 1.00 of the game, which was known as Hero's Quest I. It was later changed to Quest for Glory by Sierra in subsequent versions and on through the series due to a copyright issue. The GOG.com release is version 1.20.

The only change to the DOSBox configuration file is to output to OpenGL instead of Overlay to allow Fraps to record.

The reason it is run on version 1.00 is because there is a specific exploit that eliminates having to save the Baronet and allows immediate safe entry into the final area of the game. This knocks off a good two minutes or so which is explained in detail below. The dagger glitch that this displays is available in all versions, however.

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[CREDITS AND THE WESLEY GLITCH HISTORY]

Of course, I want to thank SDA for hosting such a great service. It is always my first place to check for speed runs, and the community is always super friendly and helpful. No trolls on these forums that I've encountered. :)

There are a number of differences between this and the VGA remake done by Sierra a few years later... but this isn't one of them. The "Wesley Glitch" was a game-changer for the VGA version, and I did not expect to see it in the previous EGA version. It was discovered in the VGA version when my son Wesley bumped my hand and made me click the dagger instead of the Dispel Potion. On muscle instinct, I went to click the Brigand Leader but missed slightly and threw the dagger... which unlocked my character and allowed me to walk out, effectively ending the game without the need to complete 90% of the game. Thus, the Large Skips category was birthed.

::FAST FORWARD TO NOW::

I noticed, when planning a new marathon route, that money from the VGA version of Quest for Glory 1 does not transfer as intended, as it is linked to throwing the Dispel Potion and the cutscene thereafter. If you skip throwing the Dispel Potion and export your character, when you import into Quest for Glory 2 you will only have 1 Gold... which is a deal breaker in the faster QFG2 VGA remake by AGD Interactive. Using the Dispel Potion and exiting normally gifts an additional 220 Gold in the VGA version. It went unnoticed in my previous marathon runs because of the "sell beard" glitch that allows for infinite money and skipping the money changer (HUGE time saver). There is no "sell beard" glitch in the VGA remake of QFG2, but running to the money changer is made easy thanks to the option to make the city have a simplified layout.

However, with only 1 Gold piece to exchange, you do not have NEARLY enough money to make the necessary purchases to beat the game. This set me on a quest to find a way to make it happen... which fizzled out in QFG2VGA quickly. Despite being buggy, it is not buggy enough to give me the money I need (yet), and I could think of no way to make the money quick enough to beat the original EGA version. There was about 5 minutes to save in my marathon runs, and I was bound and determined to find a way to make it happen.

So, remembering the Wesley Glitch from the VGA version and having just completed the EGA version, I decided to give it a shot... ... and it worked. Better yet, it gives the Gold bonus that the VGA remake lacked. Not 220 Gold, but enough to make the run happen.

Why would glitch work in the earlier version? Easy enough to speculate: the VGA remake wasn't a complete remake, but a facelift. The VGA remake of this game copied most (if not all) of the code of the EGA version, and was adjusted where necessary for interface and updated the graphics. Pretty cool. It would mean that the glitch was in the EGA version and then was copied to the VGA.

The other possibility is that this was intended to test the end of the game... and they used the same method in both games figuring it wouldn't be discovered. Without ask the Coles, I don't think I'll find the answer.

Finally, as a minister, I have to give credit to God for giving me a little extra leisure time to practice the series of games I enjoy.

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[A NOTE ABOUT THE CLASS]

This combines all of the EGA skips together... which makes the Magic-User the overall best. The Fighter and the Thief have to buy the Magic ability for 15 points at character creation, whereas the Magic-User has it by default and doesn't have to buy Strength. Since saving the Baronet is not required, Stealth isn't necessary. Since making the Dispel Potion is not necessary, Throwing and Climbing are unnecessary.

By pooling all of the extra points for a Magic-User into Strength, you can open the rock door to the Brigands Fort in one attempt, which saves yet MORE time.

That being said, theorhetically any of the character classes could do this EXACT route with no differences. The Thief, even with the lowest Strength after character creation, would still likely move the rock door in one attempt.

The benefit is importing to future games during a marathon with 60 Strength, which cannot be understated. Also, in the QFG2 VGA remake, any core stats a different character class doesn't have (such as Stealth for a Thief) is increased to 1.

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[SCENE-BY-SCENE COMMENTARY]

CHARACTER CREATION:
Explained above. Everything into Strength.

THE REST OF THE GAME:
Buy the Open Spell and then head north to Erana's Peace to get the Calm Spell. Calm is necessary for getting past the minotaur. Head south to the Antwerp and head in through the secret passage to the Brigands Fort. The rest of the game plays out the same until reaching the Brigand Leader's room.

Instead of throwing the Dispel Potion, however, you have to "throw dagger," which aims at some random, unknown target and unlocks movement for you character. The HAREST part of the game is now lining yourself up with the exit. The diagonal movements make this a bit more consistent, but it is still difficult. If you do not go fast enough, the scene changes to Elsa and you will die.

Interestingly enough, this can only be done on MAX speed. I experimented with trying to grab Baba Yaga's mirror and then exiting, but I am fairly certain that this is impossible even in a tool-assisted run. You can grab the mirror, which is neat, but that would result in you being able to defeat Baba Yaga without saving the Baroness or Baronet (which should be impossible). When I slowed the timer down to attempt getting both, which usually increases accuracy, the scene changes immediately after throwing the dagger to Elsa and you die. At MAX speed, you get a few seconds of movement, and enough to escape and trigger the win screen.

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[AREAS FOR IMPROVEMENT]

::drop microphone::
In all seriousness, better controls and parsing accuracy. The parser is not the most consistent with typing letters, which causes typos. It seems like it should read the keyboard straightfoward like a Word document, but that is not the case. There is a delay at times that causes mistakes to happen.

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